WARNING: Counterfeit Cels

I just wanted to say that I thought that all of us were being pretty decent towards one another regardless of any arguments/disagreements that we might have been having. If it wasn't coming off that way on my part then I apologize. That wasn't my intentions. I know I can be kind of a smartass sometimes.

I'll have to see about acquiring a better screencap of that Snake Eyes cel for comparison. I can tell you myself that the colors on the screen are correct. But it's always better to have a visual aide to show people.

More to come....

Here's a screengrab from the GI Joe Rhino DVD.
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/mackettric/snakeeyes.jpg

As far as the colors, it's not exactly an old VHS, it's a remastered DVD, Rhino went back to the original 35mm film, but it wasn't a stellar remastering job by any means. But I don't think that can explain the color difference. In the transfer of film, colors can be changed, but it's more an over all correction (at least for Rhino's budget). Then again, I'm not a colorist, but I do work in post production.

Mackettric,

Thank you for the screencap and information. It's much appreciated. ;)

Here's a pic of the actual cel again thats originally from GoG and now currently up for auction on ebay.

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m554/maceanimation/SnakeEyes1.jpg

Please compare the screengrab that Mackettric posted and the actual cel for differences as there are many.

First are the varying colors of the belts and visor. Thats the most obvious.

Next compare the quality of artwork on the belts. The ones in the cel are sloppily drawn compared to the screencap. Look at the round buckle for example.

Now compare the lines for muscle definition on the character. There are vast differences on these. Look at the ones representing the pectorals. Also notice the absence of any lines at all around the crotch area on the cel. It's just left plain on the cel whereas in the screencap there are lines defining the muscles/legs.

Also notice the huge gap between the lines on the visor in the cel. In the screencap these go all the way across.

Now add all of that up with also the addition of having a non matching background.

Alright,now after seeing all of these differences I honestly don't know how you can NOT doubt the authenticity of this cel. In my mind it's quite obviously a reproduction.

GoG had quite a few other Gijoe cels that were all like this. I think that they looked better than this Snake Eyes cel in terms of quality but they still had a lot of differences as compared to their screencaps. And cels shouldn't be like that. He also has a few Transformers cels that are also questionable. After I pointed all of this out to him he still insisted that there was nothing wrong with these cels and that he could sell or trade them to whomever he wanted. I just felt that was the wrong thing to do and that other collectors should be notified of this. Hence this forum.

So please consider all of this before dealing with Guardians of Good. Always do research on what you're buying.

If you have any questions please ask.

I don't like being wrong, but I am wrong. These are clearly intended to be the same image, but this physical cel is not the image on screen.

I don't know what kind of beef you two have with each other and it's not my business. In this case, Mace is correct.

This isn't the most scientific way to do it. Ignore my 2 second Photoshop job. Mouse over the image to compare.

http://www.rubberslug.com/misc/gijoe.html

Spot the differences:
- Right tricep (upper arm, left of cel) silhouette is all wrong. Minor differences can be chalked up to my manual misalignment, but this is really wrong.
- Left pectoral entirely different.
- Grenades, belt buckle, left arm pack all not as round.
- Belt curvature over right leg entirely different (basically, they drew a straight line).
- Bandolier curvature wrong.
- Head curvature is lumpy.
- Extra lines in original to indicate bending of legs and upper leg definition near crotch.
- Right leg silhouette is wrong. (Again, wrong enough not to be misaligned.)
- Visor slats different.
- Basic inability of whoever drew the repro to draw curves.

So anyways, yeah. That's too bad. Draw your own conclusions. Personally, I think some honest mistakes were made. It would be nice if Guardian said something to the community. At the very least, the community should know who sold these to you so they can be avoided.

I'm going to be absolutely slammed over the next week due to the SXSW conference in Austin, so I apologize for advance if I don't keep up with this.

Ok,I know I haven't posted anything new lately pertaining to these "questionable" Gijoe cels. I've been busy with other things and I apologize for that.


First i'd like to thank Noisywalrus for his post overlaying the two Snake Eyes images. If you couldn't see the differences before then I think you should certainly be able to with that overlay. Much thanks for that.


I do have new images to show everyone. The link below has most of the Gijoe cels that Guardians of Good had posted in his gallery that I believe to be fake. These are screenshots taken of his gallery when the cels were still showing. He has since taken them down when I started asking questions about them.

http://s1131.photobucket.com/albums/m554/maceanimation/

These cels look more professionally done than the Snake Eyes cel. But I still believe them to be fake as well. Because they to have the same problems as the Snake eyes cel as far as matching whats on the screen. I have it on good authority that GoG is still actively trying to sell these "fake" cels so just keep that in mind if you deal with him or run across one of these cels yourself.