Copying Sketches...What for???

Hello Gabriel
It seams no matter what is said here your going to find fault in it.
I, In no way said to make copys for yourself and that they would be worth anything more than the paper there on.
I myself now, Would never buy off of YJ or ebay any type of copy no matter what was said about it or who was selling it unless I knew the dealer real good.
I did say the best and safest way to know if they are real is to buy them from the studio that made them.
You can also get them from dealers Like myself and others that deal with the studios and get them from the production companys in huge lots for resale.

Buying studio production copies is like buying prints at a con some will go up in value some will not, All art is like this.
If your buying cel art of any kind for investment you can get burned real fast.
Cel art prices go up and down so much it is not a good thing to put your money in unless you get it super cheap and I'm talking pennys on the dollar and then sometimes you will only break even on them.
Let me put it this way so there is no misunderstanding here if you don't know for sure it is real "DON'T" buy it, Unless you don't care if it's real or not.Does that work for you???

I'm not trying to be a hard nose here but you need to understand some folks don't care if it's real or not they just want the art work they want and they don't care one way or the other, Is this smart? Most likely not! But to each his own, I'm not one to tell someone not to buy something they want but I will say everyone needs to be real careful about what they buy because there is alot of fake stuff out there.
Did you know about 5 to 10% of the cel art on ebay and YJ is fake?
You can spot some of these bogus dealers with there ads, In there ads they say the cel is handpainted but you will not see the word "production" anywhere in the ads,I have seen at least 20 dealers selling Peanuts cels on Ebay that say they are "production cels"but they are not, The same dealers will sell the same cel 6 months later and do this over and over, this tells me they are fake cels. Is this Right? You bet your butt it's not, but it happens every day on the online auctions.
I've turned at least 50 or more dealers in for bogus cel art sales in the past few years on ebay myself.

The best way to not get taken is to use dealers that have been in the biz for years and to learn as much as you can as fast as you can and don't be afraid to ask some of the folks that have been collecting for years who they recommend.
The key to it all is learn,learn and learn some more never stop learning.
Read any and all you can about the type of art you like and use dealers that have very good reps and if the dealer will not give you your money back incase something comes up, Don't use them.
I offer my buyers there money back forever if anything I sell turns out to be bogus, my word is my bond and all the good dealers will do the same if there any good.

Not everyone is out to rip folks off but the few who do make it hard for the rest of us legit dealers.

Gabriel I hope this clears up a few things for you.

Have a good day!

Roy

Hello Roy

I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, don't take this the wrong way. What I *am* saying is one needs to take their audience into account when you say things like that. A lot of the people that will be reading this and have galleries here are fairly new collectors that don't have the kind of experience that you do. In fact, I myself have only been collecting for about 5 years, and I couldn't tell you if a settei set is authentic "copy" or not - I simply would have no idea at all unless it was very obviously fake, like a set for a 20 year old show still warm from the copier. ;)

Cel art is not my primary hobby. What I *am* a serious collector of is ancient and US coinage, and I have been collecting that for 26 years now, ever since I was a little kid. And I can't tell you the number of times I have seen people who are very excited about the hobby, and have bought a number of items and would I like to look at them? And its no fun to tell someone that no, their Roman Sestertius is not supposed to be silver, that their 1914-D Lincoln was in fact made from a 1944-D, and that all those Marshall Island commemoratives aren't worth a thing. Some people don't like to be tricked, and get mad at the whole hobby when they find out they have been. And I don't want any cel collectors here to get similarly tricked.

That brings me to my point - newish collectors often aren't going to have the experience to even tell which dealers are trustworthy and which are not, and what types of items they can buy with confidence and which should be suspect. Thus, for items like this which are so easily faked, it is best to err on the side of caution until you have a good deal of experience. With cel art itself, at least it can not be machine reproduced - someone is going to have draw it by hand or at least paint it by hand if they have access to the original sketchwork, and then try to match paint colors and all that - and you can compare the item to where the same cel shows up in the finished movie/show as a rough check. With copy settei or any other kind of copy sketchwork, you can't do that. And we aren't just talking about copy settai sets here, but copy genga/douga sketches, which are almost certainly not a studio product.

Now, if someone wants the art and they are fully aware of the pitfalls and what it is they are truly buying, more power to them! I'm just trying to make clear the risks involved, to prevent the scenario I described above. Do you want to tell some happy new collector they just spent hundreds of dollars on a bunch of copies someone made at kinkos? ;)

Talking about Kinkos...I see some settei up on auction that look very fishy.....As big as a normal page...and of diffrent colors 0_0...80% sure that they are fake, but since I don't have as much experience as you guys (I'd like to buy them since they look pretty, but I'm sure they are fake >_<), I'll ask...From your experiences are setti typicaly the same hight?

Though all the Settei I have are the same hight, and are all longer horizontaly than verticaly, and from a
known cel dealer, so I hope they are real....Though I did buy from a store a set of anime sketches, and one side had one anime character's settei, and the other a completely different series 0_0 Pretty sure that set was fake...so I didn't add it...(Sad what people do, pass fakes)

I can't advise you on the settei since I really can't tell what are good copies and what aren't - but you might want to send Roy a link to take a look, probably would be able to give a better opinion.

As for the set you have with one series on one side and another on the reverse - I wouldn't necessarily condemn them, as I *have* seen studio copies that are like this. As long as both shows are from the same studio and done around the same time frame. Notoriously stingy anime studios can cut their paper budget in half by reusing the blank side of existing copies!

Well was CCS and Mon Colle Knights made by the same studio? If not than it's probably fake...It's not in my posetion anymore, but the rest of some "copies" are...so they must be fake too...

I'll post the link through his feedback, and see what he says, hopefully he won't be busy...