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can someone help a newbie?
hey! can someone please help me out?
im a newbie to cell collecting (well, and now im officially a "dumb" newbie) and i won an auction on ebay and now im having second thoughts as to if the piece is fake or not.
here is the piece i won...
http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=270192910744&rd=1
ok
now my reasons for wondering if its fake or not...
1. this site has put up at least twenty of "gargoyles" animation cels and there was only ONE (yes thats me) person who even bid on ONE of all of the auctions! so im thinking, well maybe the experienced collectors know something i dont know.
2. the site that it comes from (not the site that is selling the piece, thats just an auction house) it has nothing by way of information about itself. i went to their main site ...
http://www.animatedanimations.com/
and they have alot of disney stuff for sale but it doesnt say anywhere where its affiliated with disney itself.
3. they are selling what seem like duplicates of other cels...
http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=270189729799&rd=1
and
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=310006084336&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=021
its
the same auctionhouse that is running these two auctions.
i dont know can anyone relieve my fears and tell me that the one i bought was real? i know you cant do appraisals over the internet, i just wanted to know if this "animated animations comany" is legit.
thank you so much!
~ amy
amy
Knight Visions
Dec 12 at 9:20 PM
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Why you were the only person to bid: these cels are being offered at close to traditional gallery prices. That is to say, far more than an open market like eBay will naturally drive the price. Unfortunately for you, they seem to have a near monopoly on the source material (and Disney did have a monopoly, and jacked the prices up far beyond realistic prices in an open market). The Disney Stores used to have a bunch of Gargoyles cels, I think at a lower price than that.
Universal's lisitng practices are a bane to peruser of eBay by category; they fill up page after page with auctions with starting bids that are far over a realistic price, over and over again. Their business model must be based on continually increasing prices so that the occasional accidental sale will underwrite the cost of maintaining a constant huge stock which goes largely unsold (the traditional gallery model).
Universal's feedback is pretty atrocious; when you have thousands of transactions, and almost 2% of bidders leave negative feedback, something is seriously wrong. There's too large a sample size for it to have been effected by one or two transactions gone wrong. There's a serious disincentive on eBay to leaving a negative for buyers; large sellers can easily absorb a neg here or there; small feedback buyers (those who only occasionally sell on an account) will have a big blot from any retaliatory negative (and sellers rarely leave feedback first). So, 1.8% of feedback is from buyers whose experience was bad enough to risk a significant hit to their own feedback (probably higher; some buyers are likely to have left positive feedback before negative, which leads to a neutral assessment on ebay's feedback scores).
As to why the owning company would list their stuff with two bad auction companies at the same time, I think the explanation is not that there are two of the same cel (it's unlikely anyone would fake a Gargoyles cel for profit; anyone who would would almost certainly not make two and give the game away); it's that the company is staffed by morons; the kind who think shitty reauctioners are a good idea and that their stock is just as good unsold on eBay week after week where people are unaware of market prices as it is unsold in their dusty and unvisited store where they can occasionally pawn off cels for hundreds of dollars more than market value on those disconnected from the market.
I don't think the owning company is "Animated Animations"; I suspect that was a company that, at some point, certified the cels and packaged them (anyone reading this buy any from the Disney stores? Were they packaged with that company name?). (Note that anyone can certify something; plenty of crappy sellers issue certificates with sompletely wrong information. Even studio certificates caan be wrong; I have a Dexter cel I bought from the Warner Bros Studio Store that lists the wrong episode.) I think both seller IDs are for the same company; Universal. the Sell-It id is older; Universalalive is for their "live" auctions. I would suspect that "Midwest Estate Auctions" is a wholly owned subsidiary of the company, if not the parent corp.
So, you probably shouldn't be worried about authenticity; you might want to rethink buying from these blighted companies in the future tho.
Ted
Ted's Animation Gallery
Dec 12 at 11:08 PM
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ok, thank you! i appreciate your help and imput!
amy
Knight Visions
Dec 13 at 10:23 PM
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