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The Wonderful World of Weiss last modified: Monday, March 28, 2011 (8:20:44 PM) So, I was having a conversation w/my sister about how lately there is a well-to-do going on in Weiss fandom because of the timetable on Marine Entertainment's Wk page (that was published in '02 mind you...it's not new). I am not apart of any of these discussions, nor bear witness to as I only hear from my sister...but I find it interesting how everyone thinks this chart is "law" now because it is "official" being that it's on Marine Ent's page. That website is pretty much only dedicated to post Glühen as they removed everything else the same year (2002) because of the Tsuchiya Kyouko lawsuit. I'm actually confused why this is causing a tizzy all of a sudden. Like everyone feels this changes the World of Weiss?
Putting Wk into a chronological timetable of events just cannot work. Two words I use a lot... Franchise and Anachronism. They share a backbone, but most of it has to be taken as a stand alone. The franchise (almost by definition) was built on it's popularity and ability to make money. So new stories were made to appease fans while it was doing well. Heck, look at Side B...the only reason Side B was as it was was because Koyasu Takhito wanted to almost apologize for Glühen. Initially he was going to serialize Glühen, but because it didn't do well at all, he chose to tell a whole new tale with Side B (which is why Aya was resurrected from his death scene in the final anime series). But really...to try and make it all make sense...well, you just have too much time on your hands. Sorry. Also, there's been a page available @ Tv Tropes that puts everything Wk into a rough chronological order...and I mean everything! Mangas, dramas, guidebooks, anime...it's very smart, and, I find, quite clever. It is a more whimsical look at Wk...but honestly, I think there should be more of that and less "hardcore" in this (or any) fandom. I find a lot of the quips amusing. Seriously, everyone should check it out! Esp. if you're not familiar w/all that's within the franchise. You'll really learn a lot! http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WeissKreuz The Character Page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/WeissKreuz The small Trivia Page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Trivia/WeissKreuz I have to admit I liked the bit on the Trivia page about how Ken was supposed to have a second name (like Aya/Ran or Omi/Mamoru) and it was 'Hyde'...how cool is that! Esp. because I feel it's a reference to "Jekyll & Hyde"...maybe hinting to Ken's psycho turn in the franchise?! My two cents, probablly worth less than that to most. Cheers everybody!
Apparently the other "new discovery" is that it''s "official" now that Aya is "The Leader" of Weiss due to the fact that someone translated the short story from the guidebook "All That Weiss" published in 2000? "The Meeting" was an original story to that book, probablly only created as something ''new'' to add so that fans would be more ready to open their wallets to purchase (*cough*franchise*cough*). Nothing of purpose actually takes place in it. From my undertanding of the Japanese text, the line everyone is harping on could be translated as an adjective...it could be taken as a mere description of Aya (read as a silent understanding), because he does have leader qualities (mostly his ideal to complete Missions w/o fail). Yeah...it''s about as "official" as the "official" doujinshi "Ja! Weiss". Weiss actually has no leader. It''s a branch managed by Kritiker. Even in the Dramatics the members have free will to decline any given Mission. If Aya was "The Leader" he would assign everyone''s positions. He would delegate. But he does nothing more than assert his character on others because he has no official position. On the other side of the argument, Omi, too, is not the leader...he''s in training, maybe. Picked up by Persia and trained to be an assassin, the youngest and original member one day becomes A leader when he''s promoted to Persia (like his father, and his grandfather...it''s a blood-tie, really). However, Weiss remains a Field Unit. Another thing to consider, is the immaturity of all the Wk boys, and the fact that their lives are turned upside down. The only one to remain firm is Aya. The other boys'' confusions are lessened, or put to the test, by Aya''s resolution. (Which also makes Aya more of a 2D character, in my opinion.) That''s why Ken and Yoji banter. That''s why they all treat Omi like a "kid brother". But anyway...because Wk is such a big franchise, you have to look at it w/ an open-mind. That''s my "official" opinion, anyway.
what no schwarz? no yaoi mentions*snickers*probably shouldnt get you started on that rant. ugh, wont even watch gluhen after i saw how badly they butchered the characters, especially the schwarz side. plus i saw gluhen as them just trying to make a buck like i do with the kenshin ova. i still adore the weib ova even if it was short. now that one really showed ken being psycho but i io like that shot.
Hi kira! Heh...well, I suppose to the modern fandom Schwarz would be less important as they got the once over post-lawsuit (being originals to Tsuchiya''s AAWS). Agreed - Schwarz are the worst off in Glühen. O_o Esp. Schuu''s Village People wardrobe and Farrah Fawcett hair! *shudders* There are some good points to Glühen, though. You can read more of my opinions on my Glühen page at my gallery. Though I also agree it was just another dive into the franchise to appease fans. I do feel even prior to the lawsuit redesign the story wouldn''t have been as enticing, still. It would have survived through it''s already built-in audience alone (myself included in that audience). Well, the Wk yaoi fandom isn''t something I know much about either. Oh, yeah!! The OVAs are the best anime ever. Ever!! *^_^* That''s what I was hoping Glühen was going to follow suit...*sigh*
ken also has the better battle outfit in gluhen. ust realized that when seeing the boys in their outfits all together.
Hmm..well the person who translated that stuff is actually a good friend of mine... she got attacked by one or two people just for posting her translations on LJ communities. She wasn''t personally telling people anything was new ''wk law'' or even that they had to care about that...just making it accessible since there''s a lot of Weiss canon that is not widely translated into English. A few people got offended and seemed to interpret her posts as her trying to re-write the fandom or something. One person in particular was rather mean about it in my personal opinion. I’m not really sure why people got so worked up, it’s kind of a given that the canon is contradictory. The person who did the translating has a lot of personal interpretations of canon, but she keeps all of that in her private journal. All she did publically is translate it. Which was a lot of work for her, English isn’t even her first language. She din''t claim it was a new discovery either. It''s been translated into Russian for ages. Just less known in English.
....Anyway, I’m not sure what’s being said outside of livejournal…but I wouldn’t really say everyone is taking it as “law”…Basically the one person posted her translations…a person or two said ‘thanks that’s interesting’ and one person in particular was upset by it, interpreted the translator as claiming it ‘law’ and started posting rants against the translator claiming she was trying to manipulate everyone or something. I’d really say the controversy was limited to a pretty small group of people who are trying to make everyone else care. But the majority of the fandom doesn’t actually hold a very strong opinion on the whole thing. It’s just that the person who was upset about it is very loud in their opinions and maintains a fairly large community of her own on LJ so a lot of people were subjected to the ranting.
…And now I’ll seem truly psycho for posting 3 times in a row, but I just wanted to add that I’m actually inclined to more or less agree with your viewpoint here. I’d previously taken the ‘All That Weiss’ profile at face value and assumed that Omi was the leader. After having quite a few things pointed out to me I’m now more inclined to think that there is no team leader (rather than simply switching to see Aya as it.) I haven’t gotten a chance to read the meeting yet (I have it saved to my computer but won’t get a chance to catch up on reading things like that until the class I’m taking is over next month, at which point I’m going to do a crash course in catching up on all the drama cd transcripts, etc.) That just does make the most sense to me, all things considered. There are definitely some things in the Marrine timeline I have issue with (for example it’s flat out obvious that they didn’t list the boys histories in chronological order, otherwise Omi’s kidnapping should have probably been the first thing on the list.)
Hey skyrat :) Your friend translated...what? I don''t know who is who, or who did what. I was just having a convo. w/my sister, and it actually wasn''t because of LJ, it was because of Fanfic.net. What I commented on is all I know...the topic, not any events. *shrugs* If you mean the Marine Ent. timetable...I don''t know about "now" but it''s been translated before (same as "The Meeting") back then. I translated it for myself those many years ago. Mind you it''s been awhile, but as you''ve said...it''s incomplete and inconsistent. They had to remove a lot because of the lawsuit. Which is why I appreciate the TV Tropes page...it points out the flaws, but in a clever not-so-negative way. Like I said, though, I wish some people would simmer down about things, like those that attacked your friend. Granted some are new to Wk, and therefore more apt to get over-excited about things. But for the old-schoolers who''ve followed the franchise''s progression since practically the beginning such as myself, and accept the short-comings w/an open mind, it just becomes a tired subject. That''s why I really avoid fandoms...too many don''t want to listen to what anyone else has to say, they only want to believe what they want and there are those who feel it necessary to prove something. That''s why I posted here...to talk with myself and no one in particular. Heh. ^_~ Sorry if I offended you. :(
@ kira Yes, Ken definetly has the better assassin gear in Glühen! It looks almost identical to what Tomokazu Seki wore in the finale of their "Das Ewige Dasein" concert (which came first). Which is why I don''t mind it! Hee...all the other boys'' outfits look like costumes! Sheesh! o_O
i really wish they would have done the crashers part. the bit on poor ran''s virginity in the character profile is priceless! |
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